Systemd really is shitty, and Poettering is a serious asshole; but that ship has sailed. It’s time to accept that computers only get worse, and move on.
I’m sad that you have to throw out all the init scripts you’ve written in 30 years.
Maybe stick with Slackware? I’m pretty sure you’ll fit in well there.
I never said init scripts (and more importantly, the init process) were the right answer. It doesn’t change the fact that systemd has some bad fundamental design and implementation decisions; and that any attempt to address them was met by Poettering saying essentially “this is the way I designed it, and therefore it’s right. You’re wrong.” He has no regards for standards, compatibility, or consistency.
It wasn’t even the first replacement for process management out there. Sun had SMF which was effective but flawed; and systemd duplicated almost every one of its flaws.
In other words, saying that init had to be replaced didn’t necessarily mean systemd; but that’s the world we have now.
The fact that I dislike it doesn’t change the fact that it’s prevalent, and so I use systemd every day.
It’s the same with any technology I need. Ansible is a mostly awful language, but I need it to do my job, so I buckle down and use it. Git is…well actually git is pretty awesome.
A decade (or two?) ago, perl was the language of choice for complex admin tasks, despite being a nightmare to maintain. Now we have mostly moved to python and ruby, which are generally much better.
My point is that just because a standard (process, tool, etc.) is flawed, we don’t refuse to use it; and conversely, just because we use a tool doesn’t make it immune to valid criticism.
Is that really a valid counter argument though? We could say most computer users use windows, doesn’t necessarily make it a better os choice.
Yes the community has decided, fair enough, op has already said let’s move on.
People that have been around for a bit longer than most here and have seen and used Linux from the very beginning are still entitled to an opinion.
I’ve been a Unix admin for almost 30 years.
Systemd really is shitty, and Poettering is a serious asshole; but that ship has sailed. It’s time to accept that computers only get worse, and move on.
I’m sad that you have to throw out all the init scripts you’ve written in 30 years.
Maybe stick with Slackware? I’m pretty sure you’ll fit in well there.
Aw gee, thanks!
I never said init scripts (and more importantly, the init process) were the right answer. It doesn’t change the fact that systemd has some bad fundamental design and implementation decisions; and that any attempt to address them was met by Poettering saying essentially “this is the way I designed it, and therefore it’s right. You’re wrong.” He has no regards for standards, compatibility, or consistency.
It wasn’t even the first replacement for process management out there. Sun had SMF which was effective but flawed; and systemd duplicated almost every one of its flaws.
In other words, saying that init had to be replaced didn’t necessarily mean systemd; but that’s the world we have now.
I think the community has moved on without you then.
You missed the point where I said “…and move on.”
The fact that I dislike it doesn’t change the fact that it’s prevalent, and so I use systemd every day.
It’s the same with any technology I need. Ansible is a mostly awful language, but I need it to do my job, so I buckle down and use it. Git is…well actually git is pretty awesome.
A decade (or two?) ago, perl was the language of choice for complex admin tasks, despite being a nightmare to maintain. Now we have mostly moved to python and ruby, which are generally much better.
My point is that just because a standard (process, tool, etc.) is flawed, we don’t refuse to use it; and conversely, just because we use a tool doesn’t make it immune to valid criticism.
@swordgeek @possiblylinux127 this from a guy who still uses swords
Hah! That made my day. I’d high five you, but I hurt all over from fencing last night. :-)
Is that really a valid counter argument though? We could say most computer users use windows, doesn’t necessarily make it a better os choice.
Yes the community has decided, fair enough, op has already said let’s move on. People that have been around for a bit longer than most here and have seen and used Linux from the very beginning are still entitled to an opinion.