Nor are most of the desktop Linux distros, compared to GrapheneOS, yet they are not downgraded for it.

I did get the new Jolla Phone as a daily driver and for my use case I even manage to use it fully natively and it does what I need it for. It does have some smaller bugs and some rought edges but it doesn’t feel like a prototype. I don’t have experience with other alternative systems but if I look at the postmarket wiki and they don’t list a single phone that is not meaningfully compromised in key functions, then I don’t think that it is the same as Sailfish OS on the new Jolla Phone.

I know that the could work. But that is a philosophical distinction if they don’t work. You preach to the wrong guy. I removed all these banking and ID apps from my daily driver because I don’t see why I should put that kind of stuff on my phone to begin with but I am a minority. Banking apps require the app, bookmarks won’t cut it and yes they don’t work because some banks (not all mind you) don’t want them to work which makes no difference to the end user though.

We do need an open security standard and then the only way how we could break out of the duopoly is by the EU forcing companies to use that open standard, at least additionally to the US based solutions. That would break the duopoly.

I was talking about a non-tech duopoly OS that enables you to easily tinker but where tinkering is fully optional. Lineage phones just work as daily driver without the need for tinkering? Which phone hardware exactly would be an option for that with Lineage?

I can’t talk for Jolla. What I do know is that they have opened up meaningful parts in recent times. Even the one major remaining closed part, the UI, had important parts open sourced recently, with open sourcing of Lipstick.

I don’t think they will open source everything in the near future but possibly the qt environment might be on the list to come. If that were to happen the only essential part remaining would really be the home screen I think. So it is really that, are you purist and consider that a knock-out criterion or do you also have no problem with using closed source components with desktop Linux distributions?

You can do that but is it so strange to consider that some people out that don’t want Android also don’t want to stuff money into Google for hardware? Also, not everyone’s priority is a hardened phone, some might just want a tinker phone with a terminal and linux environment, that also just works as a phone.

The apps are far from a solved problem. Otherwise, alternative mobile OSes would not have such a hard time, even if you look beyond mainline Linux. The issue are banking and ID apps, which can work but also may not work.

The most fascinating thing is how some in the open source community go wild against a tiny player delivering one of the most daily driveable phones with an OS other than from the big-tech duopoly (besides Huawei but that’s another topic). It doesn’t help that a system that is partially closed source (with the closed parts basically being only the home screen UI and the qt implementation) is misleadingly called “closed source OS”.

Especially the frenzy within the GrapheneOS community in this regard is curious.

Why can’t everyone just choose what they prefer without firing against other small alternative OS projects as if they were made by the devil?

Wow, a typo.

So there are different Distros with different philosophies, that people with different preferences can find what tgey are looking for.

That is why I use openSUSE Tumbleweed. Haven’t updated in half a year? No problem, just do zypper dup and let it do its job.

That was almost 20 years ago. It is nothing like that anymore I would say. Some things are still more complicated to configure but then, other things just work that don’t work for example on my other system that runs pop-os, in general openSUSE is just as easy to install as any user friendly distro. And among the rolling release distros, openSUSE Tumbleweed is probably the most stable of them all.

opi is a great tool, even when just looking for applications in the regular repository. But then you can also very easily access the open build service with it as well.

openSUSE.

How is that possible? Is that a fake post, never posted to r/linuxsucks101 or has the mod there not read to paint 6 either?

Nah. Arch is not noob friendly per se but with CachyOS installing and getting most of what you need to run is very easy. Experience with Steam and Proton is painless. Things can get harder when you are starting to dig deeper.

You get banned for not posting hate posts there. Pretty fascinating hate echo chamber.

When I tried to install Windows 10 2 years ago on my mini PC it tried to install wifi drivers but failed. Wifi only worked after manually downloading and installing the driver. Various Linux distros were plug and play and wifi worked out of the box.