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Sure, everything has bugs and bugfixes are good. It’s just not fair to characterize this entire release as bugfixes and menu adjustments, IMO.

Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that’s all I’m going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.

Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they’d learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.

There’s a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven’t tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I’m doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven’t read every single one of them.

The general default look and feel maybe isn’t being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we’re all about theming and customization anyway, right?

Most importantly they aren’t throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.

After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I’m very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.

When I bought my laptop i was using windows and didn’t research Linux compatibility :(

I apologize for my general grumpiness this morning. Totally reasonable. :-)

And yup. A decade ago was when Linux turned a corner on the wifi driver front, 11 years ago was hell

I lol’d. :-)

I mean, if you buy broadcom you reap what you sow. And 2012 was 11 years ago. ;-)

Ah, a very common use case.

I don’t think I have for more than a decade and I’m kinda amazed at how many upvotes this meme got.

It’s a really simple problem to avoid, and IMO has been for years. It’s been at least 10 years since I’ve bought something without intel wifi so maybe I’m out of touch, but I’m kind of astounded there are so many upvotes to the meme.

My rule for a very long time has been: Get something with intel wifi, or even atheros wifi, and you will almost certainly not have a problem. Get broadcom wifi and your problem will directly relate to how much effort your distro has put into trying to make broadcom not be shit. Stay the fuck way from realtek and mediatek.

That’s it. I literally can’t recall a time since about 2010 when I had a wifi problem with Linux on any device I owned.

I keep two of these in my bag for instant wifi on any device I might happen to be working on that doesn’t have it. Most recently popped one into an old desktop I picked up for my youngest son, and have used it previously as a workaround for someone who had a laptop where the onboard wifi worked but would not come back from sleep. (That was broadcom, IIRC)

I have a mouse and a can of sparkling water. My 60% has a different colorway. I’m running a different distro.

Otherwise - eerily close.

Come now, how had they not learned it already from this?

Out of curiosity, nvidia blob driver also? (I, too, run the blob driver, but I’m just curious if it’s a common denominator)

I’m not convinced this is a valid statement:

If only Linux wouldn’t Bork my whole install when I try to switch to 144hz on my monitor.

If he says his install is borked I believe him. If he says it’s “just” because he tried to switch to 144hz on his monitor, eh…

Edit: Also sounds like nvidia binary blob driver. Odd to me that he didn’t get the “do you want to keep these settings” prompt, and that it didn’t revert when he didn’t click yes though.

Yeah, sounds like a PEBKAC problem to me. 😁

lol i was playing WoW on wine when most people here were in the fecal exchange phase

Then just like me you can remember how much harder it used to be.

please tell me how valve saved gaming

No need to be a snarky dick you know.

Yep. I’m sure they’ve made some duds, but they are my go to brand. Have been impressed in one way or another with everything I’ve had from them.

My number two is Lenovo.

For smaller things I’m a fan of Anker, and I admit for cables I usually just find something cheapish on Amazon that gets good reviews.

Since switching to Linux in 2007, I have touched Windows only when paid to do so. Each successive move by Microsoft has affirmed for me that I made the correct decision. At this point, I would just not use a computer at home if my only way to do so was with Windows on it.

Just wanted to agree and add that it’s not my DE’s job to tell me the best way to work. That’s why I use KDE even though I like some things about the GNOME environment. Let me get there in my own time, let me set the things up how I want. My work isn’t your work, and your workflow shouldn’t be forced onto mine.

GNOME devs care about their vision, KDE devs care about their users. This has been plain since the early days of GNOME 3.