How else are you going to open your files in nano to do the programming on the prod server?

Plus it has markers for variable types just like Esperanto has suffixes for parts of speech. Wall was a linguist, after all.

Esperanto always struck me as more perl-like with each part of speech having its own suffix like perl has $ for scalars, @ for arrays, and % for hashes. Though perl is probably more like a bunch of pidgins…

Production errors.

LGTM (lunatic gunner targeting me)

Your bedroom and your code sound dirty. No dessert until there are no more dirty clothes on the floor and all your merge conflicts are resolved.

I, too, got a Mohawk after the last outage.

woke

There it is. Thanks for finally being explicit about the kind of person you are. People like you are the reason cocs have to be made in the first place. Don’t bother responding, I’ll be blocking you.

Right, it’s not a company, and it relies on the unpaid labor of volunteers, who Peters was driving away. That’s mentioned in the thread. Though they are not a company with employees, they are still a community that needs to attract talent. You seem to be giving a lot more leeway to interpretations of Peters’ words than my comparison. Odd.

So he’s dismissing the training; in doing so he’s also dismissing that it’s worthwhile to try and have an environment free from sexual harassment. That’s not somebody I’d want as a representative of an inclusive community. The steering committee seems to agree.

From the Coc:

• Showing empathy towards other community members. We’re attentive in our communications, whether in person or online, and we’re tactful when approaching differing views.
• Being considerate. Members of the community are considerate of their peers – other Python users.
• Being respectful. We’re respectful of others, their positions, their skills, their commitments, and their efforts.
• Gracefully accepting constructive criticism. When we disagree, we are courteous in raising our issues.
• Using welcoming and inclusive language. We’re accepting of all who wish to take part in our activities, fostering an environment where anyone can participate and everyone can make a difference.

Yes. If you pulled that at your job, you’d be fired. He got suspended because he refused to accept feedback, he kept pushing and showing he had no intention to change his problematic behavior. Some people don’t get it until there are consequences to them.

This isn’t a court. That is how it worked.

Referring to multiple people, Tim being a big part of those people. So it’s primarily about Peters. You put it right there. Claiming it’s not just about him in pedantics and weak af.

I can’t tell if you picked up on my meaning when I mentioned the author’s fault. If you didn’t, maybe you’re not great at interpretation.

From Peters in the thread:

Nobody talked about demographic markers because they didn’t matter to anyone.

That reads to me that things were better before inclusive language was around.

I think this also is a good response to a different point to made about being rational:

Complaining about what it’s called isn’t what a person taking it seriously would do. It’s disruptive or subversive at best. With the general picture of his behavior from the suspension and his responses in the thread, I’m disinclined to believe his comments were merely said in a disarming manner.

In the same comment from Smith:

I want to assure everyone that the points we made in the original post were so pointed exactly because of the complaints we received from community members.

The “points” being three of the items that appeared on the suspension. This is specifically about Tim Peters.

So to sum up: they received complaints specifically about Peters. Then said people (plural) complain and that’s how they hear about it. If that’s not clear, it’s not the author’s fault.

So the discussion about behaviors that mirror the suspension is not about the guy that was suspended? Come on.

In reference to the sexual harassment item:

If somebody hears “discussed sexual harassment” and immediately says, “You must mean Tim Peters,” I think the context of the whole thread is pretty clear.

You can read one of the responses about this that’s linked in the article: https://discuss.python.org/t/inclusive-communications-expectations-in-python-spaces/57950/11

Other members and users repeatedly complained about Peters’ conduct which resulted in the list. From that particular link:

This is exactly how the rest of us hear about the many people who don’t want to be here because of the behaviors they routinely witness and experience.

Members and would be members are quite literally afraid to bring it up publicly because they get jumped on by people telling them they are wrong. They simply do not want to interact in our spaces at all which means they remain invisible and even when some are brave enough to speak up, as has happened multiple times in these threads, they appear to often be ignored. It is shameful.

The number of people I’ve worked with who would’ve made great open source contributors, here or elsewhere, who’ve effectively turned tail and said “hell no!” to the suggestion because of how they see people get treated by those already in this pool is more than I can count. :frowning:

Nah, they don’t have to repeat slurs, discussions of sexual assault, or other things that they don’t want in their community in the first place.

Do you have any examples of his stance on reverse racism, the sexual assault discussions, or his use of slurs that were “misrepresented”?

Lol, yeah, bitching about reverse racism could come from anywhere on the political spectrum /s

I’m not sure what your point is. You said to the parent comment in this thread that it wasn’t a right winger. I provided a quote from the article that supported that he was. Now you’re bringing up one thing that he pushed back against? I don’t think that balances out. He had a pattern of going against the code of conduct multiple times with about a third of his comments being called into question. Then you put words in my mouth saying I’m saying ageism is ok because I use the article to show his behavior is crappy. What’s your point? Ageism is bad? I agree. Peters is redeemed by that one push back? I disagree.